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		<title>By: BAW</title>
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		<dc:creator>BAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, DST starting the second Sunday in March is a bitch.  Growing up in Union City, Ohio I was used to living in a split town for half the year, moved away for college.  I still have relatives in Union City on both sides of the state line.  They like being on the same time all the time, but has been posted in previous discussions, no matter where the time line is drawn it&#039;s going to be a hassle for people at the split.  Our office has been working seven days a week since the first of March for tax season and we were all bitching about going to DST on a weekend that was already shortened.  At least tax season is over, our office was closed Friday, and will be closed tomorrow (Monday).  Don&#039;t have to be back to work until Tuesday.  Here in Louisville with the lengthened DST not reverting back to ST until the first Sunday in November the sunrise here will not occur until 8:14 a.m. on November 6, the Saturday before DST ends, which is 14 minutes later than the 8:00 a.m. sunrise at the winter solstice.  I wanted to congratulate the Butler Bulldogs on a great run also.  If that ball had went in at the buzzer, it&#039;d have been a shot for the ages.  I remember my dad and mom talking about the 1954 state finals, when Milan upset mighty Muncie Central to win the state championship.  We almost had a sequel to Hoosiers.  It was great seeing Bobby Plump at the game, I&#039;m sure that brought back great memories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, DST starting the second Sunday in March is a bitch.  Growing up in Union City, Ohio I was used to living in a split town for half the year, moved away for college.  I still have relatives in Union City on both sides of the state line.  They like being on the same time all the time, but has been posted in previous discussions, no matter where the time line is drawn it&#8217;s going to be a hassle for people at the split.  Our office has been working seven days a week since the first of March for tax season and we were all bitching about going to DST on a weekend that was already shortened.  At least tax season is over, our office was closed Friday, and will be closed tomorrow (Monday).  Don&#8217;t have to be back to work until Tuesday.  Here in Louisville with the lengthened DST not reverting back to ST until the first Sunday in November the sunrise here will not occur until 8:14 a.m. on November 6, the Saturday before DST ends, which is 14 minutes later than the 8:00 a.m. sunrise at the winter solstice.  I wanted to congratulate the Butler Bulldogs on a great run also.  If that ball had went in at the buzzer, it&#8217;d have been a shot for the ages.  I remember my dad and mom talking about the 1954 state finals, when Milan upset mighty Muncie Central to win the state championship.  We almost had a sequel to Hoosiers.  It was great seeing Bobby Plump at the game, I&#8217;m sure that brought back great memories.</p>
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		<title>By: Pila</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6351&#038;cpage=1#comment-997079</link>
		<dc:creator>Pila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 03:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason:  I&#039;ve been round and round about DST issues with you before.  Quite frankly, I&#039;m not going to continue any &quot;conversation&quot; with you on the subject.  At no time have I said that my family, friends, and associates *only* dealt with people in Ohio and other border states. However, living on a border made dealing with the EST/EDT difference a normal part of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason:  I&#8217;ve been round and round about DST issues with you before.  Quite frankly, I&#8217;m not going to continue any &#8220;conversation&#8221; with you on the subject.  At no time have I said that my family, friends, and associates *only* dealt with people in Ohio and other border states. However, living on a border made dealing with the EST/EDT difference a normal part of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6351&#038;cpage=1#comment-996643</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got that right Parker. Those DST economic benefits, WOW, have made Hoosier land #1. NOT. The CC and DOT love to spew their brainwashing DST propaganda.

I know Arizona businesses always knew that Indianapolis was two hours apart from Phoenix. Same goes with Honolulu being a five hour difference. Now, it is a mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got that right Parker. Those DST economic benefits, WOW, have made Hoosier land #1. NOT. The CC and DOT love to spew their brainwashing DST propaganda.</p>
<p>I know Arizona businesses always knew that Indianapolis was two hours apart from Phoenix. Same goes with Honolulu being a five hour difference. Now, it is a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I say that from personal experience. I actually live on a border with another state&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I have ran into the issues with many people in business.  It wasn&#039;t the people in Ohio or Illinois that were the problem, it was the people in New York, LA, Denver, UK, France, etc...
 &lt;blockquote&gt;DST boosters proclaiming to the world that we couldn’t add and subtract 1, 2, 3, etc., would not exactly encourage businesses to come to Hoosierland&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The issue was not that people couldn&#039;t add and subtract, it was they didn&#039;t know &lt;i&gt;how much&lt;/i&gt; they should add or subtract because their own clocks changed while theirs did not.  People in LA that deal with Chicago would always add 2, but when dealing with Indiana it was sometimes 2, sometimes 3.  From what I could tell, it wasn&#039;t that people in Indiana couldn&#039;t figure it out, it is just that the less you dealt with Indiana, the more likely you were to screw up the time.

Again, I say this as someone opposed to DST nationally, and someone that knows that Indiana is completely in the Central time zone regardless what the DOT says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I say that from personal experience. I actually live on a border with another state</p></blockquote>
<p>I have ran into the issues with many people in business.  It wasn&#8217;t the people in Ohio or Illinois that were the problem, it was the people in New York, LA, Denver, UK, France, etc&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>DST boosters proclaiming to the world that we couldn’t add and subtract 1, 2, 3, etc., would not exactly encourage businesses to come to Hoosierland</p></blockquote>
<p>The issue was not that people couldn&#8217;t add and subtract, it was they didn&#8217;t know <i>how much</i> they should add or subtract because their own clocks changed while theirs did not.  People in LA that deal with Chicago would always add 2, but when dealing with Indiana it was sometimes 2, sometimes 3.  From what I could tell, it wasn&#8217;t that people in Indiana couldn&#8217;t figure it out, it is just that the less you dealt with Indiana, the more likely you were to screw up the time.</p>
<p>Again, I say this as someone opposed to DST nationally, and someone that knows that Indiana is completely in the Central time zone regardless what the DOT says.</p>
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		<title>By: Pila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I say that I don&#039;t believe that being  on standard time year round makes problems for business,  I say that from personal experience.   I actually live on a border with another state, and my county was out-of-sync with that state part of the year and on the same time as that state for part of the year for *decades.*  Most people here had no problem with that.  Yes, a few did, but as far as I can tell, it was only a few people, and they weren&#039;t exactly business leaders and executives.  As an aside, I always thought that the state Chamber of Commerce and other DST boosters  proclaiming to the world that we couldn&#039;t  add and subtract 1, 2, 3, etc., would not exactly encourage businesses to come to Hoosierland. :)     

I have family members who have businesses that have to work with clients and suppliers in multiple time zones.  They had no problems.  In my previous job I dealt with people across time zones.  Again, no problems.  Maybe this is a your-mileage-may-vary-situation, but I think that if you want to make year round standard time into some huge  problem, it is a problem.  Perhaps being on a time zone border and a state border made being on standard time all the time just a part of life in this neck of the woods for most people. We were used to  Ohio being an hour ahead of us for most of the year, and it was no big deal for most of us.  We just lived with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I say that I don&#8217;t believe that being  on standard time year round makes problems for business,  I say that from personal experience.   I actually live on a border with another state, and my county was out-of-sync with that state part of the year and on the same time as that state for part of the year for *decades.*  Most people here had no problem with that.  Yes, a few did, but as far as I can tell, it was only a few people, and they weren&#8217;t exactly business leaders and executives.  As an aside, I always thought that the state Chamber of Commerce and other DST boosters  proclaiming to the world that we couldn&#8217;t  add and subtract 1, 2, 3, etc., would not exactly encourage businesses to come to Hoosierland. :)     </p>
<p>I have family members who have businesses that have to work with clients and suppliers in multiple time zones.  They had no problems.  In my previous job I dealt with people across time zones.  Again, no problems.  Maybe this is a your-mileage-may-vary-situation, but I think that if you want to make year round standard time into some huge  problem, it is a problem.  Perhaps being on a time zone border and a state border made being on standard time all the time just a part of life in this neck of the woods for most people. We were used to  Ohio being an hour ahead of us for most of the year, and it was no big deal for most of us.  We just lived with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Robert, you&#039;d be willing to forgo the incredible economic benefits of DST?

I can&#039;t count the number of people who have become rich under the new regime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Robert, you&#8217;d be willing to forgo the incredible economic benefits of DST?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t count the number of people who have become rich under the new regime!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6351&#038;cpage=1#comment-996460</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using T&#039;s term, this after 700h sunrise is a bitch. Goodbye to usable morning light.

It will be on April 21 when the sun rises before 700h again. This DST is wrong. I have watched the comments to this blog and since the time change, many folks wish that the DST switch should go back to at the first Sunday of April. The last Sunday of April would be better and abolishing DST would be the best solution. Arizona does not have a problem by staying on year-round standard/daylight time. The surrounding states change and there are no major problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using T&#8217;s term, this after 700h sunrise is a bitch. Goodbye to usable morning light.</p>
<p>It will be on April 21 when the sun rises before 700h again. This DST is wrong. I have watched the comments to this blog and since the time change, many folks wish that the DST switch should go back to at the first Sunday of April. The last Sunday of April would be better and abolishing DST would be the best solution. Arizona does not have a problem by staying on year-round standard/daylight time. The surrounding states change and there are no major problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K. Ogden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K. Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Kole,

What would create uniformity is that if everyone was simply on the same times and businesses adjust their calendar for the sunlight in the area.  The world is a much smaler place than it was 200-300 years ago.
  
The trouble is people can&#039;t even visualize how universal time would work.  The idea of time zones is so ingrained in people&#039;s minds they can&#039;t see any other way.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Kole,</p>
<p>What would create uniformity is that if everyone was simply on the same times and businesses adjust their calendar for the sunlight in the area.  The world is a much smaler place than it was 200-300 years ago.</p>
<p>The trouble is people can&#8217;t even visualize how universal time would work.  The idea of time zones is so ingrained in people&#8217;s minds they can&#8217;t see any other way.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6351&#038;cpage=1#comment-991596</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pila really explained well why Indiana time  was a problem for casual out-of-staters..I mentioned before that my family, who mostly live in Champaign-Urbana Il area, use Indianapolis as their preferred airport because they can go most places non stop,and the 90 miles ride to Indianapolis is worth the non-change convenience. The confusion was before that you knew that Indiana didn&#039;t change clocks when Illinois did,but then you forget if you have to figure in the time change or if its already been figured into your schedule,so you risked adding or subtracting 2 hours instead of one,so,  you had to keep checking,&#039;just to make sure&#039;..Call people a &#039;bunch of (time) dummies&#039;,but it&#039;s just that some people always know exactly what time it is,both where they are and where they&#039;re going, but for others it is no concern until there&#039;s a reason to know.Now there&#039;s no issue whatsoever what time it is  in Indianapolis: its always one hour ahead,no exceptions,ever.

   Last time my sister flew she sat next to an insurance adjuster who told her he was from  La Porte County.She mentioned that she had a brother who really was into the Indiana time debate,so he explained to her that even though they live in CTZ they keep their clocks at home on ETZ because of the schools,just across the county line.That just shows that even those who live on the time border have figured out a solution that now &#039;always works&#039;.

   DST is finally stabilized,so I personally dont see any change,which would please certain constituencies, but cause general chaos for many more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pila really explained well why Indiana time  was a problem for casual out-of-staters..I mentioned before that my family, who mostly live in Champaign-Urbana Il area, use Indianapolis as their preferred airport because they can go most places non stop,and the 90 miles ride to Indianapolis is worth the non-change convenience. The confusion was before that you knew that Indiana didn&#8217;t change clocks when Illinois did,but then you forget if you have to figure in the time change or if its already been figured into your schedule,so you risked adding or subtracting 2 hours instead of one,so,  you had to keep checking,&#8217;just to make sure&#8217;..Call people a &#8216;bunch of (time) dummies&#8217;,but it&#8217;s just that some people always know exactly what time it is,both where they are and where they&#8217;re going, but for others it is no concern until there&#8217;s a reason to know.Now there&#8217;s no issue whatsoever what time it is  in Indianapolis: its always one hour ahead,no exceptions,ever.</p>
<p>   Last time my sister flew she sat next to an insurance adjuster who told her he was from  La Porte County.She mentioned that she had a brother who really was into the Indiana time debate,so he explained to her that even though they live in CTZ they keep their clocks at home on ETZ because of the schools,just across the county line.That just shows that even those who live on the time border have figured out a solution that now &#8216;always works&#8217;.</p>
<p>   DST is finally stabilized,so I personally dont see any change,which would please certain constituencies, but cause general chaos for many more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6351&#038;cpage=1#comment-991582</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pila,

I hate DST, but must point out that for most people outside of Indiana, not knowing if we were GMT - 5 or GMT-4 was a pain.  People get used to you being on the same time as them, then you&#039;re an hour off.  It is just an easy mistake to make, and it was made frequently.  It happened more often the farther you got away form Indiana, and dealing with International was even worse.  I have missed many meetings because the idiots on the other end of the line didn&#039;t understand our time zone oddity.

That said, DST still needs to die nationally, there are still other issues.  For example, Europe doesn&#039;t change time at the same dates as us, so there are days that we&#039;re out of sync.  As you pointed out, DST wastes energy.  

Most importantly for Indiana, people outside the state LOGICALLY assume we&#039;re on the same time as Chicago, since we&#039;re geographically in the central time zone.  

If we care about business and changed to DST to avoid confusion, shouldn&#039;t we be on the same time as the top 5 city that is under 200 miles away rather than the city that is over 700 miles away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pila,</p>
<p>I hate DST, but must point out that for most people outside of Indiana, not knowing if we were GMT &#8211; 5 or GMT-4 was a pain.  People get used to you being on the same time as them, then you&#8217;re an hour off.  It is just an easy mistake to make, and it was made frequently.  It happened more often the farther you got away form Indiana, and dealing with International was even worse.  I have missed many meetings because the idiots on the other end of the line didn&#8217;t understand our time zone oddity.</p>
<p>That said, DST still needs to die nationally, there are still other issues.  For example, Europe doesn&#8217;t change time at the same dates as us, so there are days that we&#8217;re out of sync.  As you pointed out, DST wastes energy.  </p>
<p>Most importantly for Indiana, people outside the state LOGICALLY assume we&#8217;re on the same time as Chicago, since we&#8217;re geographically in the central time zone.  </p>
<p>If we care about business and changed to DST to avoid confusion, shouldn&#8217;t we be on the same time as the top 5 city that is under 200 miles away rather than the city that is over 700 miles away?</p>
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