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	<description>A Citizen's Guide to Indiana</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Kole</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6021&#038;cpage=1#comment-975526</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Kole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, people choose where to live for a variety of reasons. As for me, I&#039;ve never moved to any community for its&#039; services, but I have moved away from two cities and one state due to the taxes. That tax burden drained Ohio of my brain. I would think myself an exception, but of my friends and cousins, I was the last to leave Ohio. The others went to NYC, Vegas, LA, SF, London, Silicon Valley, DC. The tax burden in Ohio? It keeps growing. They really don&#039;t get it there. They&#039;re so concerned with funding their precious services in the face of those same services not being so valued by the population, that they run people out. Brain drain, indeed, but also wealth drain. Public policy too often has the effect of turning cities into poverty magnets. 

None of my immigrant grandparents came to the US because they heard the social services were really fantastic. They didn&#039;t come because we had a large and involved government. Hell, they usually did have that, and were fairly glad to leave it behind. But really, they moved for one thing and one thing only- jobs. They left their countries because there was better opportunity here. They sent money home, and initially thought they would go home. They never did. They thought it was better here.

When we really figure this out, we&#039;ll reverse brain drains, and draw people back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, people choose where to live for a variety of reasons. As for me, I&#8217;ve never moved to any community for its&#8217; services, but I have moved away from two cities and one state due to the taxes. That tax burden drained Ohio of my brain. I would think myself an exception, but of my friends and cousins, I was the last to leave Ohio. The others went to NYC, Vegas, LA, SF, London, Silicon Valley, DC. The tax burden in Ohio? It keeps growing. They really don&#8217;t get it there. They&#8217;re so concerned with funding their precious services in the face of those same services not being so valued by the population, that they run people out. Brain drain, indeed, but also wealth drain. Public policy too often has the effect of turning cities into poverty magnets. </p>
<p>None of my immigrant grandparents came to the US because they heard the social services were really fantastic. They didn&#8217;t come because we had a large and involved government. Hell, they usually did have that, and were fairly glad to leave it behind. But really, they moved for one thing and one thing only- jobs. They left their countries because there was better opportunity here. They sent money home, and initially thought they would go home. They never did. They thought it was better here.</p>
<p>When we really figure this out, we&#8217;ll reverse brain drains, and draw people back.</p>
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		<title>By: Pila</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6021&#038;cpage=1#comment-975417</link>
		<dc:creator>Pila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rest of my comment:  You may have a point, but the rushing to the northern midwest was decades ago when the states were prosperous and communities provided amenities.  I don&#039;t think that there is anything particularly wonderful about having bare bones government, poor services, a decimated tax base, and a never-ending brain drain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rest of my comment:  You may have a point, but the rushing to the northern midwest was decades ago when the states were prosperous and communities provided amenities.  I don&#8217;t think that there is anything particularly wonderful about having bare bones government, poor services, a decimated tax base, and a never-ending brain drain.</p>
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		<title>By: Pila</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6021&#038;cpage=1#comment-975416</link>
		<dc:creator>Pila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mike Kole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike Kole</p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6021&#038;cpage=1#comment-975393</link>
		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some links:

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=11471784

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20091104/LOCAL04/311049962/1002/LOCAL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some links:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=11471784" rel="nofollow">http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=11471784</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20091104/LOCAL04/311049962/1002/LOCAL" rel="nofollow">http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20091104/LOCAL04/311049962/1002/LOCAL</a></p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6021&#038;cpage=1#comment-975392</link>
		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely wrong. 

I know the GF is not supported by property tax anymore. But the legisalture allows districts to seek extra operating money via referendum. It is often used to add teachers, reduce class size and improve programming or simply to preserve existing levels. And it is not counted against the caps.

Districts who have done this in recent months are Southwest Allen County Schools; Southern Wells Community Schools; Hamilton Southeastern and Beech Grove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely wrong. </p>
<p>I know the GF is not supported by property tax anymore. But the legisalture allows districts to seek extra operating money via referendum. It is often used to add teachers, reduce class size and improve programming or simply to preserve existing levels. And it is not counted against the caps.</p>
<p>Districts who have done this in recent months are Southwest Allen County Schools; Southern Wells Community Schools; Hamilton Southeastern and Beech Grove.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6021&#038;cpage=1#comment-975377</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Referendums for the remaining property tax funds--yes.  That would be the Capital Projects Fund, Debt Service, and Transportation.
But the largest education fund--the General Fund--is NOT property tax supported any longer.  The state funds it 100% so there is no way for a district to increase revenue through a referendum for general operating expenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referendums for the remaining property tax funds&#8211;yes.  That would be the Capital Projects Fund, Debt Service, and Transportation.<br />
But the largest education fund&#8211;the General Fund&#8211;is NOT property tax supported any longer.  The state funds it 100% so there is no way for a district to increase revenue through a referendum for general operating expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Kelly Bentley,

Schools most definitely have the option of an operating referendum which would be held outside the cap. And several districts have taken advantage of it already. In fact, the passage rate on those referendums is higher than on capital projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kelly Bentley,</p>
<p>Schools most definitely have the option of an operating referendum which would be held outside the cap. And several districts have taken advantage of it already. In fact, the passage rate on those referendums is higher than on capital projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Kole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Kole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pila, I think it just shows that people will put up with a lot of govt BS in trade for better climate, scenery, and culture. People used to rush to Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana- when it had manufacturing jobs aplenty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pila, I think it just shows that people will put up with a lot of govt BS in trade for better climate, scenery, and culture. People used to rush to Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana- when it had manufacturing jobs aplenty.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6021&#038;cpage=1#comment-975314</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted over on Indiana Barrister in response to Abdul&#039;s reference to  Dr. White asking for exemption from tax caps for K-12.

The idea of exempting schools from the cap makes sense especially since K-12 has no other way to raise revenue. School districts can&#039;t pass COIT or raise tuition, and since the State took over 100% of the K-12 General Fund, districts can&#039;t go through the referendum process to raise addtional revenue for operations. 

The governor is cutting $300 million from education over the next two years. Schools are also projected to lose $288 million in property tax revenue to the tax caps over the next two years (and these losses are in no way tied to current spending or actual need). 

The legislature could enact a two-year delay on the application of the caps to school property tax funds, and then allow districts to transfer some of those funds to the General Fund. Exempting school property taxes from the circuit breaker would also free up $60 million in relief grants for 2010. That&#039;s about $348 million in funding, which would be more than enough to cover the cuts.

And taxpayers would still benefit from property tax relief. The portion of the projected credits attributable to schools is less than 1/3 of the nearly $1 billion in relief that Hoosiers are projected to receive through the credits over the next two years. 

Before people scream about the need for school districts to reduce spending, especially central office spending--I don&#039;t disagree! Central offices are way too big and full of way too many highly paid people, but districts aren&#039;t going to find $588 million by cutting central office expenditures.

I&#039;m also a huge fan of consolidation of services (as well as funding individual schools rather than school districts). The problem is there are too many school districts in Indiana that will not be impacted by tax caps. They can continue spending at high levels regardless of actual need, so I doubt there would be much interest in consolidation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted over on Indiana Barrister in response to Abdul&#8217;s reference to  Dr. White asking for exemption from tax caps for K-12.</p>
<p>The idea of exempting schools from the cap makes sense especially since K-12 has no other way to raise revenue. School districts can&#8217;t pass COIT or raise tuition, and since the State took over 100% of the K-12 General Fund, districts can&#8217;t go through the referendum process to raise addtional revenue for operations. </p>
<p>The governor is cutting $300 million from education over the next two years. Schools are also projected to lose $288 million in property tax revenue to the tax caps over the next two years (and these losses are in no way tied to current spending or actual need). </p>
<p>The legislature could enact a two-year delay on the application of the caps to school property tax funds, and then allow districts to transfer some of those funds to the General Fund. Exempting school property taxes from the circuit breaker would also free up $60 million in relief grants for 2010. That&#8217;s about $348 million in funding, which would be more than enough to cover the cuts.</p>
<p>And taxpayers would still benefit from property tax relief. The portion of the projected credits attributable to schools is less than 1/3 of the nearly $1 billion in relief that Hoosiers are projected to receive through the credits over the next two years. </p>
<p>Before people scream about the need for school districts to reduce spending, especially central office spending&#8211;I don&#8217;t disagree! Central offices are way too big and full of way too many highly paid people, but districts aren&#8217;t going to find $588 million by cutting central office expenditures.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also a huge fan of consolidation of services (as well as funding individual schools rather than school districts). The problem is there are too many school districts in Indiana that will not be impacted by tax caps. They can continue spending at high levels regardless of actual need, so I doubt there would be much interest in consolidation.</p>
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		<title>By: Pila</title>
		<link>http://www.masson.us/blog/?p=6021&#038;cpage=1#comment-975280</link>
		<dc:creator>Pila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how many people are clamoring to move to Idaho, North Dakota, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, etc., etc. ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how many people are clamoring to move to Idaho, North Dakota, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, etc., etc. ?</p>
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